{"id":5262,"date":"2011-03-04T12:59:36","date_gmt":"2011-03-04T16:59:36","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/wayneandwax.com\/?p=5262"},"modified":"2015-01-07T13:42:36","modified_gmt":"2015-01-07T17:42:36","slug":"global-forum-here-folks","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/wayneandwax.com\/?p=5262","title":{"rendered":"Global Forum Here Folks"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Ok, I promise to quit kvetching about SoundCloud soon enough, but the material just keeps piling up. So permit me one more for now, a little ludic repair, if you will, courtesy of Carl Craig, rightly revered innovator of Detroit techno&#8217;s so-called &#8220;second wave.&#8221; (Here&#8217;s a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.theartsdesk.com\/index.php?option=com_k2&#038;view=item&#038;id=3031:carl-craig-detroit-techno-interview&#038;Itemid=80\">recent interview<\/a> if you&#8217;ve got some catching up to do.) <\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/wayneandwax.com\/wp\/images\/carl-craig-icon.jpg\" width=\"50\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/wayneandwax.com\/wp\/images\/soundcloud-icon.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/wayneandwax.com\/wp\/images\/carl-craig-icon.jpg\" width=\"50\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/wayneandwax.com\/wp\/images\/soundcloud-icon.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/wayneandwax.com\/wp\/images\/carl-craig-icon.jpg\" width=\"50\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/wayneandwax.com\/wp\/images\/soundcloud-icon.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/wayneandwax.com\/wp\/images\/carl-craig-icon.jpg\" width=\"50\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/wayneandwax.com\/wp\/images\/soundcloud-icon.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/wayneandwax.com\/wp\/images\/carl-craig-icon.jpg\" width=\"50\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/wayneandwax.com\/wp\/images\/soundcloud-icon.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/wayneandwax.com\/wp\/images\/carl-craig-icon.jpg\" width=\"50\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/wayneandwax.com\/wp\/images\/soundcloud-icon.jpg\"><br \/>\n<img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/wayneandwax.com\/wp\/images\/soundcloud-icon.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/wayneandwax.com\/wp\/images\/carl-craig-icon.jpg\" width=\"50\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/wayneandwax.com\/wp\/images\/soundcloud-icon.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/wayneandwax.com\/wp\/images\/carl-craig-icon.jpg\" width=\"50\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/wayneandwax.com\/wp\/images\/soundcloud-icon.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/wayneandwax.com\/wp\/images\/carl-craig-icon.jpg\" width=\"50\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/wayneandwax.com\/wp\/images\/soundcloud-icon.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/wayneandwax.com\/wp\/images\/carl-craig-icon.jpg\" width=\"50\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/wayneandwax.com\/wp\/images\/soundcloud-icon.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/wayneandwax.com\/wp\/images\/carl-craig-icon.jpg\" width=\"50\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/wayneandwax.com\/wp\/images\/soundcloud-icon.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/wayneandwax.com\/wp\/images\/carl-craig-icon.jpg\" width=\"50\"><\/p>\n<p>\nLike fellow Detroiter and techno trailblazer Kevin Saunderson (as <a href=\"http:\/\/wayneandwax.com\/?p=5155\">recounted here<\/a>), Craig has taken to <a href=\"http:\/\/soundcloud.com\/carlcraiginc\/\">SoundCloud<\/a> to stage a playful response to his discovery that a classic production of his, an early 90s release under the pseudonym Paperclip People, had been &#8220;bootlegged&#8221; &#8212; i.e., edited and supposedly &#8220;mashed up&#8221; with another track, then released as an anonymous 12-inch (&#8220;Track 3&#8221; by &#8220;Unknown Artist&#8221;) with no attribution of the original. <\/p>\n<p>For the record (ahem), here&#8217;s a vinyl rip of a recent reissue of &#8220;Climax&#8221; on Craig&#8217;s label, Planet E.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" width=\"425\" height=\"349\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/U6zJbyBR1V0?rel=0\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>Rather than simply giving the infringing track away <a href=\"http:\/\/soundcloud.com\/kevinsaunderson\/the-sound-rip-off-now-called\">as Saunderson did<\/a>, Craig has gone one better: he&#8217;s remixed the bootleg, no doubt improving it (though it&#8217;s hard to say without any comparison), and he has invited others to do the same. (To be clear: though I&#8217;m getting to it late here on the blog, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.junodownload.com\/plus\/2011\/01\/24\/carl-craig-takes-on-bootleggers\/\">Craig&#8217;s actions<\/a> precede Saunderson&#8217;s by a few weeks and, for all I know, may have inspired them.)<\/p>\n<p>Now shared globally as &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/soundcloud.com\/carlcraiginc\/the-climax-bootleg\">The Climax Bootleg<\/a>&#8221; Craig describes what he&#8217;s done as a &#8220;re-appropriated re-edit of the appropriated version&#8221; &#8212;<\/p>\n<p><object height=\"81\" width=\"100%\"><param name=\"movie\" value=\"http:\/\/player.soundcloud.com\/player.swf?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapi.soundcloud.com%2Ftracks%2F9496586\"><\/param><param name=\"allowscriptaccess\" value=\"always\"><\/param><embed allowscriptaccess=\"always\" height=\"81\" src=\"http:\/\/player.soundcloud.com\/player.swf?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapi.soundcloud.com%2Ftracks%2F9496586\" type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" width=\"100%\"><\/embed><\/object>  <span><a href=\"http:\/\/soundcloud.com\/carlcraiginc\/the-climax-bootleg\">The Climax Bootleg<\/a> by <a href=\"http:\/\/soundcloud.com\/carlcraiginc\">carlcraignet<\/a><\/span> <\/p>\n<p>He explains the situation in <a href=\"http:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/wayneandwax\/5496514929\/\">a comment on the SoundCloud page<\/a>, which gets a little confusing\/amusing (links &#038; emphasis added): <\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/soundcloud.com\/quinto\">Quinto<\/a> did <a href=\"http:\/\/soundcloud.com\/carlcraiginc\/theclimaxbootlegreditremixc2-the-climax-bootleg-re-appropriated-re-edit-quinto-remix\">a re-edit<\/a> of my re-edit of the mash up of my paperclip people version of my original version that was released on Retroactive (my 1st label) back in 1990 and re-issued on my current label, planet e communications (20yrs this year!!!), that also included a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=oYs8FEvMJII\">fantastic &#8216;reshape&#8217; by basic channel<\/a>\u2026anyway, Quinto\u2019s version <strong>continues this language<\/strong> that i wanted to start. this is why i am giving away this download to you for \u201cfreeeeeeeeeeeeee\u201d. so, i want to hear your &#8216;new&#8217; versions or reedits (theres some work involved) and i will post them here on <a href=\"http:\/\/soundcloud.com\/carlcraiginc\">my soundcloud page<\/a> which will link to my <a href=\"http:\/\/carlcraig.net\">carlcraig.net<\/a> site. <strong>global forum here folks.<\/strong> much love from detroit\u2026c2<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>You&#8217;ll note that <a href=\"http:\/\/soundcloud.com\/carlcraiginc\/the-climax-bootleg\">Craig&#8217;s edit<\/a> contains a wonky piano line (if not in <a href=\"http:\/\/rougesfoam.blogspot.com\/2009\/06\/loving-wonky.html\">the strict sense<\/a>), which is <a href=\"http:\/\/soundcloud.com\/carlcraiginc\/the-climax-bootleg?page=2\">apparently<\/a> sampled from the unauthorized &#8220;mash up&#8221; (whether the use of <em>mash up<\/em> in Craig&#8217;s discussion is &#8220;strict&#8221; is also unclear to me since I haven&#8217;t heard the &#8220;original&#8221; &#8220;bootleg&#8221;; he does seem to enjoy playing loose with all &#8220;this language,&#8221; as he puts it). Commenters are torn on whether they like the &#8220;re-appropriated re-edit&#8221; at all: some express that it fails to improve on the original and hence extends and glorifies an insult; others appear to dig the new version, <a href=\"http:\/\/soundcloud.com\/carlcraiginc\/the-climax-bootleg\/comment-9584101\">even the piano part<\/a>. <\/p>\n<p>Some remixers \/ re-editors have run with the new elements while injecting their own, others have hearkened back a bit more to the spirit of the original. Here are several, the titles of which, in some cases, get more and more recursive as they go (the sounds too): <\/p>\n<p><object height=\"81\" width=\"100%\"><param name=\"movie\" value=\"http:\/\/player.soundcloud.com\/player.swf?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapi.soundcloud.com%2Ftracks%2F9510985\"><\/param><param name=\"allowscriptaccess\" value=\"always\"><\/param><embed allowscriptaccess=\"always\" height=\"81\" src=\"http:\/\/player.soundcloud.com\/player.swf?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapi.soundcloud.com%2Ftracks%2F9510985\" type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" width=\"100%\"><\/embed><\/object>  <span><a href=\"http:\/\/soundcloud.com\/carlcraiginc\/theclimaxbootlegreditremixc2-the-climax-bootleg-re-appropriated-re-edit-quinto-remix\">TheclimaxbootlegreditremixC2 &#8220;The Climax Bootleg (re-appropriated re-edit)&#8221; Quinto Remix<\/a> by <a href=\"http:\/\/soundcloud.com\/carlcraiginc\">carlcraignet<\/a><\/span> <\/p>\n<p><object height=\"81\" width=\"100%\"><param name=\"movie\" value=\"http:\/\/player.soundcloud.com\/player.swf?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapi.soundcloud.com%2Ftracks%2F9525081\"><\/param><param name=\"allowscriptaccess\" value=\"always\"><\/param><embed allowscriptaccess=\"always\" height=\"81\" src=\"http:\/\/player.soundcloud.com\/player.swf?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapi.soundcloud.com%2Ftracks%2F9525081\" type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" width=\"100%\"><\/embed><\/object>  <span><a href=\"http:\/\/soundcloud.com\/carlcraiginc\/the-climax-bootleg-re-appropriated-re-edit-quinto-remix-guyhom-remix\">&#8220;The Climax Bootleg (re-appropriated re-edit)&#8221; Quinto Remix&#8221; GuyHom Remix<\/a> by <a href=\"http:\/\/soundcloud.com\/carlcraiginc\">carlcraignet<\/a><\/span> <\/p>\n<p><object height=\"81\" width=\"100%\"><param name=\"movie\" value=\"http:\/\/player.soundcloud.com\/player.swf?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapi.soundcloud.com%2Ftracks%2F9775455\"><\/param><param name=\"allowscriptaccess\" value=\"always\"><\/param><embed allowscriptaccess=\"always\" height=\"81\" src=\"http:\/\/player.soundcloud.com\/player.swf?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapi.soundcloud.com%2Ftracks%2F9775455\" type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" width=\"100%\"><\/embed><\/object>  <span><a href=\"http:\/\/soundcloud.com\/carlcraiginc\/the-climax-aronika-re-bootleg\">The Climax Aronika Re-Bootleg<\/a> by <a href=\"http:\/\/soundcloud.com\/carlcraiginc\">carlcraignet<\/a><\/span> <\/p>\n<p><object height=\"81\" width=\"100%\"><param name=\"movie\" value=\"http:\/\/player.soundcloud.com\/player.swf?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapi.soundcloud.com%2Ftracks%2F9804234\"><\/param><param name=\"allowscriptaccess\" value=\"always\"><\/param><embed allowscriptaccess=\"always\" height=\"81\" src=\"http:\/\/player.soundcloud.com\/player.swf?url=http%3A%2F%2Fapi.soundcloud.com%2Ftracks%2F9804234\" type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" width=\"100%\"><\/embed><\/object>  <span><a href=\"http:\/\/soundcloud.com\/carlcraiginc\/c2-theclimax-guyhom-redestruction\">C2-TheClimax-GuyHom-REdestruction<\/a> by <a href=\"http:\/\/soundcloud.com\/carlcraiginc\">carlcraignet<\/a><\/span> <\/p>\n<p>Perhaps you&#8217;d care to join in the fun and try your hand at one? Gotta love a little collective, creative clowning.<\/p>\n<p>Of course, there&#8217;s an interesting, though somewhat vague, distinction being drawn here between remixes, reedits, and bootlegs, generally turning on questions of commerce and attribution. At least for Craig, you get the sense that it&#8217;s one thing to edit\/remix\/mashup something and post it on the web; it&#8217;s another to press it up (or <em>com<\/em>press it up, into an MP3) and sell it without sharing the proceeds or the credit.<\/p>\n<p>One key footnote here, as Craig himself points out, is that there have been many authorized remixes of &#8220;Climax,&#8221; including a &#8220;reshape&#8221; by Basic Channel. Here are a couple:<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" width=\"425\" height=\"349\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/oYs8FEvMJII?rel=0\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" width=\"425\" height=\"349\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/WH9JmOxZzMA?rel=0\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>And you might be familiar with this Avalanches track, employing a subtle sample of &#8220;Climax&#8221; at the 4 minute mark &#8212;<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" width=\"425\" height=\"349\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/b_-vm2qVaOg?rel=0\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>&#8212; which Craig, in turn, himself (in the guise of Paperclip People) appears to have remixed (?!?!!):<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" width=\"560\" height=\"349\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/qWM7bFDWAyI?rel=0\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>&#038; on &#038; on we go, cloudy as ever&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Ok, I promise to quit kvetching about SoundCloud soon enough, but the material just keeps piling up. 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