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		<title>By: wayneandwax.com &#187; Independent Riddim</title>
		<link>http://wayneandwax.com/?p=726&#038;cpage=1#comment-12305</link>
		<dc:creator>wayneandwax.com &#187; Independent Riddim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] general sympathies toward samplers over samplees, I can&#8217;t help but grin (not least b/c I rly dig that beat) whenever I hear yet another version of what can only be described now as the Miss Independent [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] general sympathies toward samplers over samplees, I can&#8217;t help but grin (not least b/c I rly dig that beat) whenever I hear yet another version of what can only be described now as the Miss Independent [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ne-Yo Schenkerian: WayneAndWax: Me &#171; &#8230;. Bunny &#8230;. Blinks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ne-Yo Schenkerian: WayneAndWax: Me &#171; &#8230;. Bunny &#8230;. Blinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 00:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here&#8217;s a link to what Wayne wrote that got me thinking. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: wayneandwax.com &#187; Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine (We Like It)</title>
		<link>http://wayneandwax.com/?p=726&#038;cpage=1#comment-8603</link>
		<dc:creator>wayneandwax.com &#187; Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine (We Like It)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 23:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it &#8212; and share it here &#8212; is b/c it offers another lovely example of how something like the beat from &#8220;Miss Indpendent&#8221; gets loosed from its connections to the original tune, serving here as but a background riddim for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it &#8212; and share it here &#8212; is b/c it offers another lovely example of how something like the beat from &#8220;Miss Indpendent&#8221; gets loosed from its connections to the original tune, serving here as but a background riddim for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: wayneandwax.com &#187; Dem Nuh Ramp</title>
		<link>http://wayneandwax.com/?p=726&#038;cpage=1#comment-8488</link>
		<dc:creator>wayneandwax.com &#187; Dem Nuh Ramp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 01:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have served Vybz Kartel with a SERIOUS cease&amp;desist on behalf of none other than (now former) w&amp;w faves, Ne-Yo and Stargate (aka, Shaffer Smith, Tor Erik Hermansen and Mikkel S. Eriksen) &#8211; The current version of Vybz [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have served Vybz Kartel with a SERIOUS cease&#38;desist on behalf of none other than (now former) w&#38;w faves, Ne-Yo and Stargate (aka, Shaffer Smith, Tor Erik Hermansen and Mikkel S. Eriksen) &#8211; The current version of Vybz [...]</p>
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		<title>By: wayneandwax.com &#187; Ne-Yo Schenkerian</title>
		<link>http://wayneandwax.com/?p=726&#038;cpage=1#comment-7807</link>
		<dc:creator>wayneandwax.com &#187; Ne-Yo Schenkerian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I wrote about Ne-Yo&#8217;s &#8220;Miss Independent&#8221; last week, I mostly wanted to talk about timbre &#8212; the effervesynths that seem to give it so [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I wrote about Ne-Yo&#8217;s &#8220;Miss Independent&#8221; last week, I mostly wanted to talk about timbre &#8212; the effervesynths that seem to give it so [...]</p>
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		<title>By: wayneandwax</title>
		<link>http://wayneandwax.com/?p=726&#038;cpage=1#comment-7725</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice flash card analysis, John! You should make that a series on your blog.

I was attempting to describe the similar rhythmic technique used in both songs with my much vaguer &quot;polyrhythmic tremolo.&quot; I have to say that I don&#039;t really think there&#039;s any direct connection between the two (especially since they don&#039;t actually share the exact same pattern) -- that, rather, the rhythmic similarity is coincidental / zeitgeistily aesthetic. Those stuttered eighth/sixteenth rhythms are pretty common these days, especially with these trancey synths, which seem particularly well suited for that in-and-out rhythmification.

As for MTV online not being available outside the US, that&#039;s totally wack. I hadn&#039;t realized that before Iván noted it on his blog. 

It is true that internet access is becoming increasingly common worldwide -- that the digital divide might be closing and, at least in certain places, it might be better to talk about a participation divide. But examples such as MTV &amp; NBC, not to mention individual countries&#039; filtering policies (e.g., &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2008/11/10/the-weekend-in-dubai/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;no flickr in UAE&lt;/a&gt;?) call attn to other kinds of access issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice flash card analysis, John! You should make that a series on your blog.</p>
<p>I was attempting to describe the similar rhythmic technique used in both songs with my much vaguer &#8220;polyrhythmic tremolo.&#8221; I have to say that I don&#8217;t really think there&#8217;s any direct connection between the two (especially since they don&#8217;t actually share the exact same pattern) &#8212; that, rather, the rhythmic similarity is coincidental / zeitgeistily aesthetic. Those stuttered eighth/sixteenth rhythms are pretty common these days, especially with these trancey synths, which seem particularly well suited for that in-and-out rhythmification.</p>
<p>As for MTV online not being available outside the US, that&#8217;s totally wack. I hadn&#8217;t realized that before Iván noted it on his blog. </p>
<p>It is true that internet access is becoming increasingly common worldwide &#8212; that the digital divide might be closing and, at least in certain places, it might be better to talk about a participation divide. But examples such as MTV &#038; NBC, not to mention individual countries&#8217; filtering policies (e.g., <a href="http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2008/11/10/the-weekend-in-dubai/" rel="nofollow">no flickr in UAE</a>?) call attn to other kinds of access issues.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is true, as the previous commenter remarked, that most of MTV&#039;s video archive is not yet available to watch outside the United States.  That&#039;s true for quite a few varieties of online videos, actually.  (Hulu and nbc.com, just off the top of my head.)  So while I do applaud the general opening up of the archive, I&#039;m disappointed that it&#039;s being limited to just the United States.  What&#039;s the point of that?  (OK, that&#039;s a dumb question.  I&#039;m sure it has to do with money.)  This seems to be yet one more digital divide.  And it&#039;s one more thing to keep in mind when responding to our students in world music classes who tell us that, because all the world has the internet now, the barriers of access have now come down for everyone around the world.  They sure are coming down for some.  

But anyway, the other similarity between &quot;Miss Independent&quot; and &quot;Flashing Lights,&quot; in addition to the points that you made, Wayne, is in the rhythm of the synth.  The eighth-two sixteenths, sixteenth-eighth-sixteenth rhythm of &quot;Miss Independent&quot; just seems to be an abstracted version of the synth rhythm in &quot;Flashing Lights.&quot;  My blog (http://popularsongsandbreakfastfoods.blogspot.com/2008/11/what-do-i-know.html) has a very sophisticated explanation of all of this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is true, as the previous commenter remarked, that most of MTV&#8217;s video archive is not yet available to watch outside the United States.  That&#8217;s true for quite a few varieties of online videos, actually.  (Hulu and nbc.com, just off the top of my head.)  So while I do applaud the general opening up of the archive, I&#8217;m disappointed that it&#8217;s being limited to just the United States.  What&#8217;s the point of that?  (OK, that&#8217;s a dumb question.  I&#8217;m sure it has to do with money.)  This seems to be yet one more digital divide.  And it&#8217;s one more thing to keep in mind when responding to our students in world music classes who tell us that, because all the world has the internet now, the barriers of access have now come down for everyone around the world.  They sure are coming down for some.  </p>
<p>But anyway, the other similarity between &#8220;Miss Independent&#8221; and &#8220;Flashing Lights,&#8221; in addition to the points that you made, Wayne, is in the rhythm of the synth.  The eighth-two sixteenths, sixteenth-eighth-sixteenth rhythm of &#8220;Miss Independent&#8221; just seems to be an abstracted version of the synth rhythm in &#8220;Flashing Lights.&#8221;  My blog (<a href="http://popularsongsandbreakfastfoods.blogspot.com/2008/11/what-do-i-know.html" rel="nofollow">http://popularsongsandbreakfastfoods.blogspot.com/2008/11/what-do-i-know.html</a>) has a very sophisticated explanation of all of this.</p>
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		<title>By: Unas cuantas lecturas recomendadas 2008 #1 &#171; La increíble verdad Redux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unas cuantas lecturas recomendadas 2008 #1 &#171; La increíble verdad Redux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Wayne habla sobre &#8220;Miss Independent&#8221;, la canción de Ne-Yo con una letra en la que las mujeres aparecen de una manera bastante diferente a lo que suele ocurrir en el hip hop (aunque esta canción entre de lleno en el terreno del R&amp;B, en realidad, donde supongo que será más fácil un movimiento de este tipo, pues el público objetivo es principalmente -pero solo en principio- femenino), comentando los detalles instrumentales (el ritmo con resonancias del dancehall, los sintetizadores, el arpa, etc.), pero lo mejor viene en los comentarios, en donde señalan muy acertadamente el parecido de los sintetizadores de esta canción con los que suenan en el &#8220;Flashing Lights&#8221; de Kanye West, y en donde interviene Jace Clayton, quien últimamente se está convirtiendo en una referencia imprescindible para cualquiera que quiera entender la música que se hace ahora mismo. Esta canción me parece estupenda, funciona a la perfección como tema pop mainstream representativo del 2008, ninguno de sus elementos me parece ramplón o cuestionable en lo más mínimo y, en fin, está todo puesto con tanta precisión y elegancia -sin caer en la aburrida qualité- que no me extrañaría que se colase entre mis canciones favoritas del año. Aquí os dejo el vídeo, que el que aparece en la entrada de Wayne solamente es visible en EEUU. Cosas de la MTV. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Wayne habla sobre &#8220;Miss Independent&#8221;, la canción de Ne-Yo con una letra en la que las mujeres aparecen de una manera bastante diferente a lo que suele ocurrir en el hip hop (aunque esta canción entre de lleno en el terreno del R&amp;B, en realidad, donde supongo que será más fácil un movimiento de este tipo, pues el público objetivo es principalmente -pero solo en principio- femenino), comentando los detalles instrumentales (el ritmo con resonancias del dancehall, los sintetizadores, el arpa, etc.), pero lo mejor viene en los comentarios, en donde señalan muy acertadamente el parecido de los sintetizadores de esta canción con los que suenan en el &#8220;Flashing Lights&#8221; de Kanye West, y en donde interviene Jace Clayton, quien últimamente se está convirtiendo en una referencia imprescindible para cualquiera que quiera entender la música que se hace ahora mismo. Esta canción me parece estupenda, funciona a la perfección como tema pop mainstream representativo del 2008, ninguno de sus elementos me parece ramplón o cuestionable en lo más mínimo y, en fin, está todo puesto con tanta precisión y elegancia -sin caer en la aburrida qualité- que no me extrañaría que se colase entre mis canciones favoritas del año. Aquí os dejo el vídeo, que el que aparece en la entrada de Wayne solamente es visible en EEUU. Cosas de la MTV. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: wayneandwax</title>
		<link>http://wayneandwax.com/?p=726&#038;cpage=1#comment-7705</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally listened to Kanye&#039;s &quot;Flashing Lights&quot; (kind of embarrassing but hadn&#039;t heard it -- I kind of avoid Kanye), and I see what John&#039;s talking about. It&#039;s a very similar &quot;patch&quot; (perhaps even the same preset on Reason or Logic or something), but what makes it sound especially similar, I think, is the way it cuts in and out creating something like a polyrhythmic tremolo.

Also, while on YouTube, I checked out Ne-Yo&#039;s video there (to give it a comparative listen), and I noticed, just FYI, that Universal Music is selling ringtones prominently on the video&#039;s page. This kind of commercial integration is definitely promising, at least insofar as it placates the dying, gnashing major labels, perhaps stopping them from suing every last one of us.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/wayneandwax/3016194383/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3062/3016194383_04023713d3_d.jpg&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally listened to Kanye&#8217;s &#8220;Flashing Lights&#8221; (kind of embarrassing but hadn&#8217;t heard it &#8212; I kind of avoid Kanye), and I see what John&#8217;s talking about. It&#8217;s a very similar &#8220;patch&#8221; (perhaps even the same preset on Reason or Logic or something), but what makes it sound especially similar, I think, is the way it cuts in and out creating something like a polyrhythmic tremolo.</p>
<p>Also, while on YouTube, I checked out Ne-Yo&#8217;s video there (to give it a comparative listen), and I noticed, just FYI, that Universal Music is selling ringtones prominently on the video&#8217;s page. This kind of commercial integration is definitely promising, at least insofar as it placates the dying, gnashing major labels, perhaps stopping them from suing every last one of us.</p>
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		<title>By: wayneandwax</title>
		<link>http://wayneandwax.com/?p=726&#038;cpage=1#comment-7701</link>
		<dc:creator>wayneandwax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 13:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>quite a reading! i think they pay big bucks for that sort of thing in the academy -- or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/08/education/08college.html?em&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;used to&lt;/a&gt;.

the funny thing is that the video (and attn to the lyrics) introduces all these elements that had never really occurred to me in my hours of driving-listening, wherein i mostly enjoyed the groove and the synths and only really noticed the lines &quot;she&#039;s got her own thing / that&#039;s why i love her.&quot; it&#039;s a very different piece that way.

this raises the legit question, actually, of how much we &quot;let&quot; the video &amp; lyrics (over?)determine the meaning(s) of the underlying track. it&#039;s pretty safe to assume that the video followed the recording of the song (which otherwise might suggest a less crass/literal interpretation of her boss-ness) and that, moreover, the track was cooked up long before ne-yo set these words to it. yes, once it&#039;s so assembled, it is what it is, but i wonder whether this disjointed mode of production doesn&#039;t also justify attending to various parts rather than just the sum?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>quite a reading! i think they pay big bucks for that sort of thing in the academy &#8212; or <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/08/education/08college.html?em" rel="nofollow">used to</a>.</p>
<p>the funny thing is that the video (and attn to the lyrics) introduces all these elements that had never really occurred to me in my hours of driving-listening, wherein i mostly enjoyed the groove and the synths and only really noticed the lines &#8220;she&#8217;s got her own thing / that&#8217;s why i love her.&#8221; it&#8217;s a very different piece that way.</p>
<p>this raises the legit question, actually, of how much we &#8220;let&#8221; the video &#038; lyrics (over?)determine the meaning(s) of the underlying track. it&#8217;s pretty safe to assume that the video followed the recording of the song (which otherwise might suggest a less crass/literal interpretation of her boss-ness) and that, moreover, the track was cooked up long before ne-yo set these words to it. yes, once it&#8217;s so assembled, it is what it is, but i wonder whether this disjointed mode of production doesn&#8217;t also justify attending to various parts rather than just the sum?</p>
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