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		<title>By: wayneandwax</title>
		<link>http://wayneandwax.com/?p=164&#038;cpage=1#comment-3134</link>
		<dc:creator>wayneandwax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s an interesting demographic anecdote, Birdseed. Here in Boston, an Anglo-Caribbean concert (whether soca or reggae) will, interestingly, draw a rather &#039;vocal&#039; number of Haitians. Less than speaking to the popularity of soca in Africa, I think what you saw probably speaks to the relative numbers of (black) immigrants (and 2nd gens, etc) in Stockholm. 

Frankly, I don&#039;t know much about the popularity of soca in Africa. I&#039;d be curious to find out, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an interesting demographic anecdote, Birdseed. Here in Boston, an Anglo-Caribbean concert (whether soca or reggae) will, interestingly, draw a rather &#8216;vocal&#8217; number of Haitians. Less than speaking to the popularity of soca in Africa, I think what you saw probably speaks to the relative numbers of (black) immigrants (and 2nd gens, etc) in Stockholm. </p>
<p>Frankly, I don&#8217;t know much about the popularity of soca in Africa. I&#8217;d be curious to find out, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Birdseed</title>
		<link>http://wayneandwax.com/?p=164&#038;cpage=1#comment-3115</link>
		<dc:creator>Birdseed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more question.

Machel Montano did a concert in Stockholm this weekend and he conducted a very useful informal statistical survey by constantly asking questions of the &quot;is anyone here from the BARBADOS!???&quot; variety. What was interesting to me was that the second most vocal demographic at the concert, after Stockholmers, was diasporadic Africans. 

So. Is Soca popular in Africa and has it had an influence on the type of music we&#039;ve been discussing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more question.</p>
<p>Machel Montano did a concert in Stockholm this weekend and he conducted a very useful informal statistical survey by constantly asking questions of the &#8220;is anyone here from the BARBADOS!???&#8221; variety. What was interesting to me was that the second most vocal demographic at the concert, after Stockholmers, was diasporadic Africans. </p>
<p>So. Is Soca popular in Africa and has it had an influence on the type of music we&#8217;ve been discussing?</p>
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		<title>By: wayneandwax.com &#187; Hear Here</title>
		<link>http://wayneandwax.com/?p=164&#038;cpage=1#comment-3109</link>
		<dc:creator>wayneandwax.com &#187; Hear Here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 20:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Reppin&#8217; Salone (Sierra Leone), Wisconsin (Milwaukee and Madison!), and the Bay Area, DJ Boima holds down a whirled music dance party in San Fran, moving the massive with a mix of (pan-)African and (pan-)American pop / hip-hop / club / etc. Readers of this here blog might have noticed his name in a flurry of comments w/r/t &#8220;No Te Veo&#8221; not long ago. Boima&#8217;s keen, open ears sensed all sorts of West African dancepop resonances in that hopped-up, reggaetony banger. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Reppin&#8217; Salone (Sierra Leone), Wisconsin (Milwaukee and Madison!), and the Bay Area, DJ Boima holds down a whirled music dance party in San Fran, moving the massive with a mix of (pan-)African and (pan-)American pop / hip-hop / club / etc. Readers of this here blog might have noticed his name in a flurry of comments w/r/t &#8220;No Te Veo&#8221; not long ago. Boima&#8217;s keen, open ears sensed all sorts of West African dancepop resonances in that hopped-up, reggaetony banger. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Storm Rydah</title>
		<link>http://wayneandwax.com/?p=164&#038;cpage=1#comment-3019</link>
		<dc:creator>Storm Rydah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 18:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People need to just MAKE MUSIC.  There&#039;s a radio station in France that plays damn near everything &quot;Latino&quot; you could think of... slow, fast, whatever... doesn&#039;t even matter the language.  While the U.S. seems to be stuck on the &quot;format&quot; thing... the rest of the world is NOT.

Francophone people listen to Latino music... this means French AND Central-West African people.  As a Puerto Rican, I am influenced by the world also.  I think it would be a boring place if everyone was the same.  Diversity is what creates new things.  Many Africans I have met see this music as similar to theirs.  Consequently, when I was with my friend in a Congolais club in Vitry-sur-Siene (outside of Paris)... the music sounded no different than what I had been hearing all my life.  I could not stop dancing and felt right at home.

Caribbean people have strong African roots, this is obviously not news.  As for the genre... I don&#039;t really care as long as it&#039;s danceable.  People keep making music to define themselves by genre rather than just allowing their muse to experiment with ORIGINAL shyt that&#039;s REALLY what people are hoping to hear.  Some thing FRESH.

www.myspace.com/stormrydah
www.myspace.com/changoyomi
www.myspace.com/doublehelixmediagroup</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People need to just MAKE MUSIC.  There&#8217;s a radio station in France that plays damn near everything &#8220;Latino&#8221; you could think of&#8230; slow, fast, whatever&#8230; doesn&#8217;t even matter the language.  While the U.S. seems to be stuck on the &#8220;format&#8221; thing&#8230; the rest of the world is NOT.</p>
<p>Francophone people listen to Latino music&#8230; this means French AND Central-West African people.  As a Puerto Rican, I am influenced by the world also.  I think it would be a boring place if everyone was the same.  Diversity is what creates new things.  Many Africans I have met see this music as similar to theirs.  Consequently, when I was with my friend in a Congolais club in Vitry-sur-Siene (outside of Paris)&#8230; the music sounded no different than what I had been hearing all my life.  I could not stop dancing and felt right at home.</p>
<p>Caribbean people have strong African roots, this is obviously not news.  As for the genre&#8230; I don&#8217;t really care as long as it&#8217;s danceable.  People keep making music to define themselves by genre rather than just allowing their muse to experiment with ORIGINAL shyt that&#8217;s REALLY what people are hoping to hear.  Some thing FRESH.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.myspace.com/stormrydah" rel="nofollow">http://www.myspace.com/stormrydah</a><br />
<a href="http://www.myspace.com/changoyomi" rel="nofollow">http://www.myspace.com/changoyomi</a><br />
<a href="http://www.myspace.com/doublehelixmediagroup" rel="nofollow">http://www.myspace.com/doublehelixmediagroup</a></p>
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		<title>By: Birdseed</title>
		<link>http://wayneandwax.com/?p=164&#038;cpage=1#comment-3018</link>
		<dc:creator>Birdseed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and there&#039;s apparently an entire subgenre of Tanzanian Bhangra. Akili specializes in it, apparently - search for Bongo Bhangra 2 or Regina on YouTube or EastAfricanTube... Or Vuruga by Maesh. Swahili-language Bhangra, I love it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and there&#8217;s apparently an entire subgenre of Tanzanian Bhangra. Akili specializes in it, apparently &#8211; search for Bongo Bhangra 2 or Regina on YouTube or EastAfricanTube&#8230; Or Vuruga by Maesh. Swahili-language Bhangra, I love it!</p>
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		<title>By: Birdseed</title>
		<link>http://wayneandwax.com/?p=164&#038;cpage=1#comment-3016</link>
		<dc:creator>Birdseed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 16:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Cross-cultural influences in Tanzania, I just couldn&#039;t resist coming back to this thread to post this song I just heard wile listening to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bongoradio.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;BongoRadio.com&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vFCEiaRu-Q&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Akili feat. B. Jahman - Bongo Bhangra&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Cross-cultural influences in Tanzania, I just couldn&#8217;t resist coming back to this thread to post this song I just heard wile listening to <a href="http://www.bongoradio.com/" rel="nofollow">BongoRadio.com</a>:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vFCEiaRu-Q" rel="nofollow">Akili feat. B. Jahman &#8211; Bongo Bhangra</a></p>
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		<title>By: rafeem</title>
		<link>http://wayneandwax.com/?p=164&#038;cpage=1#comment-2985</link>
		<dc:creator>rafeem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 02:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i agree with the first comment- that the first time i heard this song it sounded so much like coupe decale. in senegal i found west african music was also really influenced by Rai and arabic pop which you hear in the vocals in this song.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree with the first comment- that the first time i heard this song it sounded so much like coupe decale. in senegal i found west african music was also really influenced by Rai and arabic pop which you hear in the vocals in this song.</p>
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		<title>By: Boima Tucker</title>
		<link>http://wayneandwax.com/?p=164&#038;cpage=1#comment-2982</link>
		<dc:creator>Boima Tucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 01:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, that was a great article.  I&#039;ll be heading to that area of the world in January, I might just have to hit up Cartegena.  I definitely want some of those vinyl comps the article talks about.  Here&#039;s the reverse scenario: http://matsuli.blogspot.com/2007/06/man-with-biggest-crate.html

I love the idea of Black Atlantic, especially since in the US they have such a negative connotation of the middle passage, and all these cross ocean exchanges light up the pan-african in me.  

That&#039;s why I want so bad for this group of young Boricuas to have heard Premier Gaou and gone, yeah!  I see it happen in the place where I play all the time.  I played No Te Veo for my Salvadorean roommate and two seconds in to the song he said, &quot;that sounds like that African song you guys play all the time.&quot;  I&#039;ll let you all know the response I get this weekend.

As for melody I hear it I guess more in chord structure than melody, but it&#039;s the Chorus on No Te Veo, and the synthesized Acoustic guitar in the Intro and background of Premier Gaou.  I played a melody with the chord base B/A/G/F# and then transposed it to E, and it seemed to fit both songs, but maybe I&#039;m just pushing it.

I also feel like if they got influence from any particular musical style it would be Coupe Decale mas que Zouglou, just because Coupe Decale is more pan-Francophone in production, I think it might have even made it to the French Caribbean.  If they did get the influence from Zouglou, it would most likely be from the specific song Premier Gaou, because it was such a huge international hit.

Here&#039;s an article with three interviews on contemporary Afro-Pop.  The last two deal with the Ivory Coast styles Zouglou and Coupe Decale.  http://www.afropop.org/multi/feature/ID/709

Thanks to all for entertaining this discussion!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, that was a great article.  I&#8217;ll be heading to that area of the world in January, I might just have to hit up Cartegena.  I definitely want some of those vinyl comps the article talks about.  Here&#8217;s the reverse scenario: <a href="http://matsuli.blogspot.com/2007/06/man-with-biggest-crate.html" rel="nofollow">http://matsuli.blogspot.com/2007/06/man-with-biggest-crate.html</a></p>
<p>I love the idea of Black Atlantic, especially since in the US they have such a negative connotation of the middle passage, and all these cross ocean exchanges light up the pan-african in me.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I want so bad for this group of young Boricuas to have heard Premier Gaou and gone, yeah!  I see it happen in the place where I play all the time.  I played No Te Veo for my Salvadorean roommate and two seconds in to the song he said, &#8220;that sounds like that African song you guys play all the time.&#8221;  I&#8217;ll let you all know the response I get this weekend.</p>
<p>As for melody I hear it I guess more in chord structure than melody, but it&#8217;s the Chorus on No Te Veo, and the synthesized Acoustic guitar in the Intro and background of Premier Gaou.  I played a melody with the chord base B/A/G/F# and then transposed it to E, and it seemed to fit both songs, but maybe I&#8217;m just pushing it.</p>
<p>I also feel like if they got influence from any particular musical style it would be Coupe Decale mas que Zouglou, just because Coupe Decale is more pan-Francophone in production, I think it might have even made it to the French Caribbean.  If they did get the influence from Zouglou, it would most likely be from the specific song Premier Gaou, because it was such a huge international hit.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an article with three interviews on contemporary Afro-Pop.  The last two deal with the Ivory Coast styles Zouglou and Coupe Decale.  <a href="http://www.afropop.org/multi/feature/ID/709" rel="nofollow">http://www.afropop.org/multi/feature/ID/709</a></p>
<p>Thanks to all for entertaining this discussion!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Birdseed</title>
		<link>http://wayneandwax.com/?p=164&#038;cpage=1#comment-2979</link>
		<dc:creator>Birdseed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 19:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That article is so riveting and such a good story... Makes you wish all academics took a few journalism courses! I love the idea of the global south interacting with each other over vast geographical spaces under the noses of their post-colonial western superiors... It&#039;s always fascinated me how, even without people migrating or &quot;western cultural imperialism&quot;, music can go from one poor community to another.

Two other examples, both involving Indian film music, are Greek indoyÃ­ftika and Indonesian dangdut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That article is so riveting and such a good story&#8230; Makes you wish all academics took a few journalism courses! I love the idea of the global south interacting with each other over vast geographical spaces under the noses of their post-colonial western superiors&#8230; It&#8217;s always fascinated me how, even without people migrating or &#8220;western cultural imperialism&#8221;, music can go from one poor community to another.</p>
<p>Two other examples, both involving Indian film music, are Greek indoyÃ­ftika and Indonesian dangdut.</p>
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		<title>By: wayneandwax</title>
		<link>http://wayneandwax.com/?p=164&#038;cpage=1#comment-2976</link>
		<dc:creator>wayneandwax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 12:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I told Deborah Pacini-Hernandez about this exchange (and that I shared her &quot;View from the South&quot; piece here) and she replied, &quot;Re champeta and African musics in Colombia, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wayneandwax.com/pdfs/DPC_diaspora.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; article is much more precise and thorough than view from the south, although by now somewhat outdated.&quot; So there it is. Read up and enjoy!

&amp; while we&#039;re on the champeta tip, I&#039;m reminded that I&#039;ve been dying to share this video (&lt;a href=&quot;http://laguayabita.blogspot.com/2007/04/shantytown-technologytecnologa-del.html&quot;&gt;via MBQ&lt;/a&gt;) for a while now --

&lt;object width=&quot;425&quot; height=&quot;350&quot;&gt;&lt;param name=&quot;movie&quot; value=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/v/jRfTphbPV0w&quot;&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name=&quot;wmode&quot; value=&quot;transparent&quot;&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/v/jRfTphbPV0w&quot; type=&quot;application/x-shockwave-flash&quot; wmode=&quot;transparent&quot; width=&quot;425&quot; height=&quot;350&quot;&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;

for further connections, watch it next to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/user/gscruggs&quot;&gt;these&lt;/a&gt; !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I told Deborah Pacini-Hernandez about this exchange (and that I shared her &#8220;View from the South&#8221; piece here) and she replied, &#8220;Re champeta and African musics in Colombia, <a href="http://www.wayneandwax.com/pdfs/DPC_diaspora.pdf" rel="nofollow">this</a> article is much more precise and thorough than view from the south, although by now somewhat outdated.&#8221; So there it is. Read up and enjoy!</p>
<p>&#038; while we&#8217;re on the champeta tip, I&#8217;m reminded that I&#8217;ve been dying to share this video (<a href="http://laguayabita.blogspot.com/2007/04/shantytown-technologytecnologa-del.html">via MBQ</a>) for a while now &#8211;</p>
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<p>for further connections, watch it next to <a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/gscruggs">these</a> !!</p>
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